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Shirou
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Re: Ads

Postby Shirou » 10 Mar 2016, 20:41

toby wrote:
thegamepixel wrote:
liquidfenrir wrote:Hi, recently Google Chrome doesn't want to load anything anymore so I'm using Firefox and... There are ads on the site. Everywhere. On the main page, in the reader, in the captcha page, on the books info page... Not in the forum though.
I didn't see any anouncement for them and I don't remember seeing them 2 days ago...
Do you see them too, have they been added recently or should I search for an adware on my pc?
EDIT: just tried with my phone (browser Google Chrome), they are here too.
Hope you can help me!


PS: sorry if this doesnt fit in this section, feel free to move it if needed!

ryukun wrote:I agree, I find it weird that a site that claims no ads suddenly has a bunch of them. I understand why the no-ad thing may have needed to change, but an announcement should have been considered, and the page that still says that the site is ad free should definatly change.


Hey, we've had ads for a little while now, we had pop-up ads, but removed them and changed to this system based on response from the community. We are changing the about page which says we are ad-free because it is severly outdated. Don't worry about problems with your browser, the ads are hosted by the site and an official announcement will be made when this new ad system is finalized.

I'm assuming one of the criteria for the ad system being "finalized" will have something to do with allowing donations or "premium membership" to disable them?
Wanting users to support the site in one way or another to help cover costs is standard practice.
Things like direct donations and paying for "premium" membership usually contribute more towards this than ad revenue.

That said, ad revenue isn't completely insubstantial. If your userbase is large enough, the fractions of pennies DO add up over time.
The real trick is incorporating ads into the site's layout in the right way.
Creating layouts that support advertisements in a way that doesn't interfere with functionality or distract from the content is a challenge in and of itself.
I use adblock because the vast majority of sites don't even try, and simply load up as many gaudy ads as they can, slowing down load and render times, and in severe cases even affecting general use of the site.
The examples below are the more common types of ads, listed in descending order of tolerability:

Popup video ads are by far the absolute worst kind. Including those in a site is basically spitting in the user's face. Including one of these shows that the site proprietors don't care about the user at all.
Those dreadful auto-playing flash video ads with unmuted audio are a very close second. Disregarding popups, these are the absolute worst.
All other popup ads are still detestable, but at least they're nearly dead. Deliberately making workarounds to include them on a site is potentially more despicable than video ads. (Why would you let an ad steal focus from your own site?)

Animated gif type ads are usually gaudy and distracting, since the eye is naturally drawn to movement. Obnoxious but potentially tolerable in small doses.
Having a single animated ad per page could be deemed acceptable however, depending on factors like placement, size, and design relative to the content.
Ads that are basic static images really depend on a lot of factors, including but not limited to the ones I listed for animated ads.
Something like text-based ads (like those from google) that are skinned to match the site's design are usually perfectly tolerable.

That said, moderation is important. Have something like ten ads on a single page is completely absurd, regardless of what kind of ads they are.
Also, disrupting the flow of content with advertisements is becoming more common, but this should NOT be considered as becoming more acceptable.
Advertisements belong before, after, or to the side of content. Can you imagine if radio stations interrupted a song midway through to play commercials?
Websites should not attempt to emulate the advertisement practices of television.

In short: If a site includes unobtrusive ads that don't affect the flow of content having advertisements is generally acceptable.
Sites like that usually earn a place in my Adblock whitelist. It's a trivially small price to pay in exchange for keeping a site running.
The rare few that I truly couldn't do without are worth a couple bucks if it means keeping them around.
I've got no qualms parting with twenty bucks every now and then for the sake of a site I care about.

That said, I find myself caring about Tsumino less and less these days... However, I haven't completely given up on the Tsumino admins just yet.
I made a point to include my thoughts on what I believe are the "best practices" for including ads without alienating users.
I took the time to emphasize the fact that ad revnue is not insubstantial so that my point about the importance of whitelisting sites in adblock would carry more weight.
I did these things because I believe that they will be potentially beneficial to Tsumino in some small way.
It's a small gesture, I know, but it's one made with the best intentions.
I only hope that they don't wind up paving a road to another ban. =P

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The thing is: Donations for porn sites are usually very tricky, even more when they're hosting unlicensed content. You can't use PayPal or similar methods for paying.
Bitcoins would be an option, but it's a big hassle converting and using them.
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Re: Ads

Postby matchsticks » 11 Mar 2016, 00:36

are there any plans for smarter targeting of ads? if i'm here to browse yaoi, it's really killing it for me when i scroll the page down slightly too far and get a big ol' eyeful of gifs of girls doin stuff with their bits.
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Re: Ads

Postby napoleonic » 11 Mar 2016, 02:18

matchsticks wrote:are there any plans for smarter targeting of ads? if i'm here to browse yaoi, it's really killing it for me when i scroll the page down slightly too far and get a big ol' eyeful of gifs of girls doin stuff with their bits.

I agree with this. If someone is here for yaoi, loli, shota, futa, or all sorts of other things, those ads are a total moodkiller. Even more broadly, it's jarring to be faced with meatpron while I'm reading a manga.
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Re: Ads

Postby Tweety » 11 Mar 2016, 13:06

toby wrote:
thegamepixel wrote:
liquidfenrir wrote:Hi, recently Google Chrome doesn't want to load anything anymore so I'm using Firefox and... There are ads on the site. Everywhere. On the main page, in the reader, in the captcha page, on the books info page... Not in the forum though.
I didn't see any anouncement for them and I don't remember seeing them 2 days ago...
Do you see them too, have they been added recently or should I search for an adware on my pc?
EDIT: just tried with my phone (browser Google Chrome), they are here too.
Hope you can help me!


PS: sorry if this doesnt fit in this section, feel free to move it if needed!

ryukun wrote:..


No offense but at times, people need to just shut the fuck up.
This is one of those times.
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Re: Ads

Postby KingGummy » 14 Mar 2016, 06:49

Oh mai tweety, such snappiness.
YOUR KING HAS RETURNED!!!!

Random Person: You know everyone moved to the discord, right?

The fuck is a discord?
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Re: Ads

Postby likm » 20 Jul 2016, 22:33

KingGummy wrote:Oh mai tweety, such snappiness.


But he said no offense though :|

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